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Caribbean Airlines responding to US on direct GEO-NY flights

Caribbean Airlines responding to US on direct GEO-NY flights
(TRINIDAD GUARDIAN).-A lobby group representing US airlines has taken issue with the fuel subsidy that Caribbean Airlines (CAL) benefits from and is attempting to use the subsidy to block an application by the T&T airline to fly directly between Guyana and North American destinations.

Responding to questions from the Guardian, CAL yesterday confirmed that it had applied to the US Department of Transportation (DOT) to fly directly between the US and Guyana and that its application was being reviewed by the US aviation regulators. CAL said: “With this application, Caribbean hopes to be granted permission to operate direct flights between GEO and JFK which would enable us to provide increased frequency and flexibility for Guyanese travellers to affordably connect with key destinations throughout the airline network.”

Asked whether CAL was aware of the status of the application and the length of time that such applications take, the local airline said: “The length of time for its review and determination will be determined by the DOT who must consider all aspects of the application, including any objections from the public.” On the issue of the objections from the public, CAL said the US DOT had informed it of the submissions of the lobby group and gave the airline an opportunity to respond. CAL is in the process of submitting its reply to the DOT, according to the airline. Asked whether CAL was aware of any move by US airlines to challenge CAL’s fuel subsidy, the airline responded in the negative, adding: “While Caribbean has not received notification of any ‘move’ by US airlines to do so, we are aware that part of their opposition to our application to the US DOT referred to the fuel subsidy.”

CAL said the a delay or rejecting by DOT of the airline’s application would have a negative impact of passengers travelling to and from Guyana. According to the airline: “While Caribbean can continue to operate its flights POS/GEO/JFK/GEO/POS, the delay or refusal to grant us permission to operate the direct flights will mean that the flexibility to improve the total value offering on the route (and to reduce fares) will be lost or delayed. “The whole purpose of Caribbean’s application is to improve the travel cost and options for the Guyanese public interest.  In the event of the application being rejected, the airline will continue, wherever possible and viable, to offer passengers connectivity with key North American ports. “During the interim period, Caribbean Airlines continues to find innovative ways to serve the Guyanese traveling public with non-stop flights to North America in addition to the many daily flights via Port of Spain.”

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0 #29 TRUCK777 2013-08-27 10:06
Airports in the large US cities are normally managed by a local government authority. These airports are ambassadors for the region of the country they serve. As ambassadors they promote arrivals from all over the world. Their role is to bring interested parties to the negotiating table and create business. If Guyana had a significant negotiating team representing CJIA for both returning citizens and tourists they could reach out to these airports for assistance with international carriers. Atlanta not too long ago reached out to Nigeria and initiated direct flights. These deals are being negotiated every day and Atlanta's airport continues to expand. The major portion of ATL's traffic is in transit whereas NY is normally a final destination. In 99% of the cases CJIA is a final destination, not much in transit. Let ATL handle the in transit Guyanese with ATL's famous southern hospitality and efficiency. Guyanese are spread all over the US and Canada. Atlanta is the busiest hub in the US serving many international flights. Why not add Guyana to the growing list of international flights with easy connections to almost anywhere. Atlanta's underground trains give you easy access to all of the terminals.
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0 #28 Alessandro 2013-08-25 23:48
Quoting TRUCK777:
Quoting Alessandro:
Quoting TRUCK777:
The GOG should deal directly with airports in New York, Atlanta and Miami to negotiate flights into Georgetown. The airlines will provide the service once the incentives are there from the airports. Airport security and baggage handling in Guyana should be a number one priority.

The problem with this, "TRUCK777" is that the US Based Airlines are not controlled by the airports. JFK for example, is managed by the Port Authority of NY/NJ. Airlines pay the port authority to uses then facility. Some airlines like Jet Blue and American Airlines lease an entire terminal from the port authority. The Gov't would have to deal directly with the individual airlines.
At the end of the day, they look at the profitability of their routes. If you look at the website of any airline one of the tabs you'll see is "Vacation Packages". In this day and age, airlines do more then fly a person from point A to point B.
If the GOG wants to attract the business international airlines they have to make it worth these airlines while and just offering the travelling overseas based Guyanese is not going to cut it.

Airports are in the business to promote flights originating and departing. Most passengers into Atlanta also depart the same day, thus the airport makes money on each transaction. Live and learn.

I don't think anyone would disagree that airports are in the business for profit but I think, Truck777, that you are missing your own point which was, "The GOG should deal directly with airports in New York, Atlanta and Miami to negotiate flights into Georgetown". Again, my point is that the management of JFK , ATL and MIA cannot negotiate flights to and from GT with the GOG since the management of these airports do not manage the airlines. Won't The GOG have to make those negotiations directly with the individual airline?
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0 #27 TRUCK777 2013-08-20 23:56
Quoting OVERSEAS OBSERVER:
Direct flights from New York to Guyana were very lucrative for Delta since there is a higher concentration of guyanese living on the East Coast of the US(New York, New Jersey,DC, Virginia, Maryland) than Atlanta Ga. so it is just a waste of time and money to consider Atlanta a hub.

Do you know it is cheaper to fly from NY to Tampa, FL than it is to fly from NY to Atlanta, GA even though you have to change planes in Atlanta, GA on most airlines to get to Tampa, FL?
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0 #26 TRUCK777 2013-08-20 23:46
Atlanta wants the business and Guyana should want the business, is this too hard to understand?
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0 #25 TRUCK777 2013-08-20 23:26
Vacation packages can be offered from Atlanta to Guyana as well as from NY to Guyana as well as from Miami to Guyana. Wake up Guyana and get moving.
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0 #24 TRUCK777 2013-08-20 23:14
Quoting Alessandro:
Quoting TRUCK777:
The GOG should deal directly with airports in New York, Atlanta and Miami to negotiate flights into Georgetown. The airlines will provide the service once the incentives are there from the airports. Airport security and baggage handling in Guyana should be a number one priority.

The problem with this, "TRUCK777" is that the US Based Airlines are not controlled by the airports. JFK for example, is managed by the Port Authority of NY/NJ. Airlines pay the port authority to uses then facility. Some airlines like Jet Blue and American Airlines lease an entire terminal from the port authority. The Gov't would have to deal directly with the individual airlines.
At the end of the day, they look at the profitability of their routes. If you look at the website of any airline one of the tabs you'll see is "Vacation Packages". In this day and age, airlines do more then fly a person from point A to point B.
If the GOG wants to attract the business international airlines they have to make it worth these airlines while and just offering the travelling overseas based Guyanese is not going to cut it.

Airports are in the business to promote flights originating and departing. Most passengers into Atlanta also depart the same day, thus the airport makes money on each transaction. Live and learn.
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0 #23 TRUCK777 2013-08-20 23:10
Quoting OVERSEAS OBSERVER:
US airports have no part to play in persuading airlines to fly to foreign countries ... you are obviously misinformed. Get real !!!

Airports promote business between destinations. Get real!! You obviously have no common sense. I won't go into details with nonsense.
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0 #22 Alessandro 2013-08-20 20:38
Quoting OVERSEAS OBSERVER:
Allesandro as far as food on flights are concerned Delta gave guyanese passengers a full breakfast on each flight including additional free beverage service during flights. You obviously never flew Delta to Guyana.

You are right. I've never flown Delta to Guyana. Whenever I fly to Guyana I use CAL. My observation was based on the inservice of these airlines to other Caribbean locations and Europe.
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0 #21 Alessandro 2013-08-20 20:27
@ Blaim the APNU AND AFC for blocking the airport expasion ...how can Guyana Govt allowed all the Air line you mention above come to Guyana when our airport is not cable for those Jets. We need a better airport.
Delta and AA all fly 737's, 757's and 767's (their 777's and 747's probably won't land). Jet Blue flies A320's, A321's and Embraer 190's. Apart from the 777's and 747's, the equipment these airlines use can land in Guyana.
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0 #20 OVERSEAS OBSERVER 2013-08-20 10:43
Direct flights from New York to Guyana were very lucrative for Delta since there is a higher concentration of guyanese living on the East Coast of the US(New York, New Jersey,DC, Virginia, Maryland) than Atlanta Ga. so it is just a waste of time and money to consider Atlanta a hub.
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0 #19 OVERSEAS OBSERVER 2013-08-20 10:37
Allesandro as far as food on flights are concerned Delta gave guyanese passengers a full breakfast on each flight including additional free beverage service during flights. You obviously never flew Delta to Guyana.
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0 #18 OVERSEAS OBSERVER 2013-08-20 10:33
US airports have no part to play in persuading airlines to fly to foreign countries ... you are obviously misinformed. Get real !!!
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0 #17 OVERSEAS OBSERVER 2013-08-20 10:28
Quoting Pnc member:
Quoting turbo:
let the guyana govt. offset some fees to delta,american airlines,jet blue and grant those carriers permission to operate direct flights from ny to g/town and make the
guyanese public happy, forget about cal , they fuel
are being subsidised by trinidad and they still chargeing the guyanese public high fares, so some of the blame lies with the GOG................

@ Blaim the APNU AND AFC for blocking the airport expasion ...how can Guyana Govt allowed all the Air line you mention above come to Guyana when our airport is not cable for those Jets. We need a better airport.

When last did you travel to Guyana .. the condition of the airport had nothing to do with the airlines .. the bone of contention is the FUEL SUBSIDY CAL GETS FROM T&T ... READ before making stupid comments please.
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+2 #16 Rambo 2013-08-18 16:20
What Guyana needs is goverment involvement in forming a new airline NOT these fly by night carriers which have proven nothing but failures and not to mention all thier unscrupulous actions. Guyanese have lost thousnads of dollards because of these operators and those in goverment sit back and do little or noting to appease the situation while CAL just ride our backs because we are helpless and GOG is so incompentent to challenge them in the name of corruption. Let us tell the GOG to forget about the Amillia projet and form our own airline this will bring much needed revenue for the country as a whole.
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+1 #15 Rambo 2013-08-18 15:55
Quoting TRUCK777:
Quoting turbo:
let the guyana govt. offset some fees to delta,american airlines,jet blue and grant those carriers permission to operate direct flights from ny to g/town and make the
guyanese public happy, forget about cal , they fuel
are being subsidised by trinidad and they still chargeing the guyanese public high fares, so some of the blame lies with the GOG................


The government should negotiate with US airports in New York, Atlanta and Miami to persuade their US based international carriers to offer direct flights to Guyana. Problem solved. Initially flights do not have to be daily but will evolve over time. The problem is that there are too many people out to make a quick buck from kickbacks in Guyana. Let the professional airlines handle the work with uncompromised security. Guyana does not have the capital to start an international airline. International airlines have landed in Barbados for years on the tarmac. You don't need wide bodied aircraft to fly from the USA to Guyana. The flight from Miami, FL to San Francisco, CA is farther than the flight from Miami, FL to Georgetown, Guyana.
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+2 #14 Alessandro 2013-08-17 18:05
Quoting TRUCK777:
The GOG should deal directly with airports in New York, Atlanta and Miami to negotiate flights into Georgetown. The airlines will provide the service once the incentives are there from the airports. Airport security and baggage handling in Guyana should be a number one priority.

The problem with this, "TRUCK777" is that the US Based Airlines are not controlled by the airports. JFK for example, is managed by the Port Authority of NY/NJ. Airlines pay the port authority to uses then facility. Some airlines like Jet Blue and American Airlines lease an entire terminal from the port authority. The Gov't would have to deal directly with the individual airlines.
At the end of the day, they look at the profitability of their routes. If you look at the website of any airline one of the tabs you'll see is "Vacation Packages". In this day and age, airlines do more then fly a person from point A to point B.
If the GOG wants to attract the business international airlines they have to make it worth these airlines while and just offering the travelling overseas based Guyanese is not going to cut it.
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+3 #13 G/T Times 2013-08-17 12:27
I do Hope they can Deliver,towards Expectations if all goes well with low fares,for the benefits of all G/Y, living and Visiting USA.
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0 #12 TRUCK777 2013-08-17 12:16
Make Atlanta, GA the hub for all flights to Guyana and watch how fast rates will decline. You have a very strong Guyanese base in Atlanta, GA. The airport in Atlanta, GA is the world's busiest. From this partnership Guyana could become the hub for South America. How many Guyanese live in Africa or Asia compared to the USA. The Minister of Transport is talking nonsense.
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+2 #11 TRUCK777 2013-08-17 12:08
The GOG should deal directly with airports in New York, Atlanta and Miami to negotiate flights into Georgetown. The airlines will provide the service once the incentives are there from the airports. Airport security and baggage handling in Guyana should be a number one priority.
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+5 #10 TRUCK777 2013-08-17 11:34
Quoting turbo:
let the guyana govt. offset some fees to delta,american airlines,jet blue and grant those carriers permission to operate direct flights from ny to g/town and make the
guyanese public happy, forget about cal , they fuel
are being subsidised by trinidad and they still chargeing the guyanese public high fares, so some of the blame lies with the GOG................


The government should negotiate with US airports in New York, Atlanta and Miami to persuade their US based international carriers to offer direct flights to Guyana. Problem solved. Initially flights do not have to be daily but will evolve over time. The problem is that there are too many people out to make a quick buck from kickbacks in Guyana. Let the professional airlines handle the work with uncompromised security. Guyana does not have the capital to start an international airline. International airlines have landed in Barbados for years on the tarmac. You don't need wide bodied aircraft to fly from the USA to Guyana. The flight from Miami, FL to San Francisco, CA is farther than the flight from Miami, FL to Georgetown, Guyana.
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+1 #9 David Hermonstine 2013-08-17 07:36
Instead of the US, CAL should go to 'France' !
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+2 #8 Alessandro 2013-08-16 21:45
It is interesting how the US based airlines have an issue with CAL flying JFK/GEO when they fly direct flights from JFK to various caribbean destinations, even though JFK is not their main hub..
I recall reading in an earlier report that these airlines basically thought that since POS was the main hub, CAL could not do a direct flight to GEO, rather, the airline should do JFK/POS/GEO. JFK is a hub for AA, Delta etc............ ....just like GEO is a hub for CAL.
If this is one of their arguments, then why does AA fly JFK/BGI and JFK/POS when their main hub is in TX? Should AA fly JFK/TX/POS and JFK/Tx /BGI?
Why does Delta fly JFK/MBJ and JFK/SDQ? Their main hub is in Atlanta. So should they fly JFK/ATL/MBJ and JFK/ATL/SDQ?
Why are the US based airlines complaining when not one of them fly JFK/GEO? I would put more weight to their arguments if they were actually servicing the JFK/GEO route.
Additionally, the US based airlines charge for EVERYTHING! Some allow one checked bag free of charge and the other? That will cost you. Some charge you for your carry on. Spirit airlines charges an additional fee if you choose your seat at the time of your ticket purchase. The most expensive being the window seat.
At least on CAL you get a snack. Fly one of the US based airlines on a caribbean route and you get a complimentary small glass of soda or juice (No! Not the whole can!) and a small pack of peanuts or pretzels....... ....cheers! If you want a sandwich? that will cost you. And depending on the time of the flight the cafes in JFK may be closed.
Fly a US based airline between JFK and Europe and the service in minimal compared to Virgin Atlantic, British Airways, Singapore Airlines....... ...they offer wine with lunch/dinner. Oh, and that's in coach!
Everyone is asking for US based airlines to fly to GEO. They should keep one thing in mind, the main objective of these US based airlines is to keep their stockholders/in vestors extremely happy and wealthy and the dollar amount for their shares as high as possible. While their presence in JFK/GEO route will force CAL to improve their customer service (that would be a great thing and it's always good to have options), there will not be a remarkable reduction in the cost to fly.
The US based airlines will do whatever they can to maximise their profits. They are notorious for minimal inflight service and maximum charges.
The highest ranking US based airline (World Airline awards) is Virgin America. They ranked #29!. http://www.worldairlineawards.com/awards_2013/Airline2013_top20.htm
So to my fellow Guyanese I say, "the devil is in the details". You know what you have with CAL and quite frankly, we have only ourselves to blame for the way the TT and Bajan authorities treat some of us. We go to these places and act the fool.
It would be a good thing to have healthy competition for CAL but here's what will happen. The TT gov't will continue to subsidize jet fuel and the US based airlines will charge for every single item.
Why are they complaining?
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+7 #7 bernie 2013-08-16 19:55
CAL is making it seems that they have Guyanese best interest at heart and we are the ones they are looking out for. They can feed their pitiful excuse to the wind.
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+9 #6 rambo 2013-08-16 16:52
If the reason to give CAL flag carrier status was to offer guyanese reduced airfare it is surely NOT working they are taking advantage of this situiation (making a killing) I think GOG should remove the flag status immediately and USDOT should NOT given them permission to fly direct to GEO. They are other US carriers are watching and waiting for the opportunity. Guyanese have being shelling out lots of their hard earned dollars to CAL and the threatment they receive duing flight and at their HUB is despicable.
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+4 #5 ashley singh 2013-08-16 13:46
It would appear that many persons in the Government are at the RECEIVING END of this entire Crisis.
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-5 #4 Roberts 2013-08-16 11:52
When the Morans from APNU and AFC blocked the airport expansion this is what we get high fares and no competition. APNU don't know about development and expansion. Them can't build nothing!!!!!!!
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-6 #3 Pnc member 2013-08-16 11:45
Quoting turbo:
let the guyana govt. offset some fees to delta,american airlines,jet blue and grant those carriers permission to operate direct flights from ny to g/town and make the
guyanese public happy, forget about cal , they fuel
are being subsidised by trinidad and they still chargeing the guyanese public high fares, so some of the blame lies with the GOG................

@ Blaim the APNU AND AFC for blocking the airport expasion ...how can Guyana Govt allowed all the Air line you mention above come to Guyana when our airport is not cable for those Jets. We need a better airport.
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+1 #2 Pnc member 2013-08-16 11:39
Guyana played by the rule and didn't give EZ Jet subsidies eventually EZ Jet went Bankrupted. Caribbean airline subsidies from TT is unfair and US might not grant them the direct route.
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+24 #1 turbo 2013-08-16 09:47
let the guyana govt. offset some fees to delta,american airlines,jet blue and grant those carriers permission to operate direct flights from ny to g/town and make the
guyanese public happy, forget about cal , they fuel
are being subsidised by trinidad and they still chargeing the guyanese public high fares, so some of the blame lies with the GOG............ ....
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